WASHINGTON — Ghislaine Maxwell, the disgraced socialite serving a 20-year sentence for her role in Jeffrey Epstein’s sex-trafficking operation, spoke at length about her ties to former President Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, and her view of Epstein’s death in newly released transcripts of her proffer sessions with the Department of Justice. She also addressed persistent rumors of a secret “list” of Epstein’s powerful associates, calling the notion a myth.

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The interviews, conducted July 24–25, 2025, under a proffer agreement, mark the first time Maxwell has directly addressed federal investigators since her conviction. The transcripts provide a rare glimpse into her perspective on Epstein’s network and the scandals that continue to swirl around his name.

Maxwell on Donald Trump

Maxwell said her connections to Trump predated her relationship with Epstein. She recalled that in 1990, while helping her father Robert Maxwell with business matters in New York, she may have briefly met Trump. “My father was friendly with him and liked him very much,” she told investigators, adding that her father also admired Ivana Trump.

She acknowledged attending events at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort but denied recruiting women there on Epstein’s behalf. “I really don’t believe it’s true,” she said when pressed about allegations that she approached women at the property. “In the realm of possibility, it could have [happened], but I have no memory of it”.

Maxwell on Bill Clinton

Maxwell described Clinton as a figure Epstein “greatly admired” and sought to impress. She said she saw Clinton at charity and academic gatherings but insisted he was “never inappropriate” and “never a participant” in Epstein’s sexual misconduct.

Clinton has acknowledged flying on Epstein’s private jet for philanthropic work but denied wrongdoing. Maxwell’s comments, while echoing his denials, underscore Epstein’s desire to cultivate relationships with political elites.

Maxwell on Jeffrey Epstein’s Death

The transcripts show Maxwell voicing deep skepticism about Epstein’s official cause of death. “I don’t believe he killed himself,” she told investigators. She suggested Epstein “had many enemies” and said there were “too many coincidences” surrounding the circumstances of his 2019 death in federal custody.

While she did not accuse anyone directly, Maxwell’s doubts echoed the widespread suspicion that Epstein’s death was not self-inflicted.

Maxwell on the Rumored ‘List’

Investigators also asked Maxwell about the long-rumored “list” of Epstein’s friends and associates — sometimes described in media accounts as a supposed ledger of influential figures tied to his activities. Maxwell dismissed the idea outright.

“I never kept such a list, and I never saw one,” she said, calling the notion a “media invention.” She added that Epstein’s social circle was broad and well-known through public appearances, flight logs, and society pages, but insisted there was no secret document cataloging who might have been complicit.

“People have imagined this massive hidden record,” she said, “but it simply didn’t exist in the way it has been described.”

Distancing Herself from Epstein

Maxwell continued to dispute prosecutors’ characterization of Epstein’s multimillion-dollar transfers to her. She claimed the money was tied to loans, business deals, and investments, not payments for recruiting underage girls. She described flipping real estate, investing in luxury cars, and earning banking licenses in the 1990s, portraying herself as a woman seeking financial independence rather than an accomplice.

“I always wanted to be independent, financially secure and work for myself,” she said.

Renewed Scrutiny

The release of Maxwell’s interviews is likely to reignite scrutiny of Epstein’s network. For years, questions have swirled about who knew what about his abuse and how far his influence extended. Clinton has denied any knowledge of criminal activity, while Trump has said he knew Epstein socially but “was not a fan.”

Maxwell’s denial of a “list” may quiet some speculation but is unlikely to end the fascination with Epstein’s high-profile ties. Her insistence that Clinton and Trump were not involved in abuse will not silence critics, especially given her conviction for enabling Epstein’s exploitation.

A Story That Refuses to Fade

Six years after Epstein’s death and more than two years into her sentence, Maxwell remains central to the scandal. Her interviews reflect both an attempt to defend her reputation and a refusal to accept the narrative prosecutors advanced.

“I’ve never had any problem to speak to anybody,” she told investigators at the outset of the interviews, noting that she had asked to meet with the government years earlier. “I offered myself and I kept asking.”

Now, with her words public, the controversy surrounding Epstein, Maxwell, and the powerful world they inhabited is once again thrust into the spotlight — with two former presidents and the specter of a rumored “list” ensuring the story remains alive.

As a new school year begins, parents are being reminded that the papers sent home in the first week of class are far more than routine forms. From permission slips to technology agreements, many schools are increasingly using opt-out policies that automatically enroll students unless a parent actively declines. That means a missed signature or overlooked deadline can result in children taking part in controversial surveys, lessons, or tests without families even realizing it.

Education advocates say the start of the year is the most important time for parents to slow down and carefully read every document. Experts recommend a few key steps: check for vague language, ask questions if terms are unclear, keep a copy of every form you return, and know your state’s rules on parental consent. Some districts have been criticized for blurring the lines between “opt-in” and “opt-out,” leaving parents frustrated when they later discover their children were automatically included.

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Survey Sparks Complaints in Massachusetts

In Burlington, parents were outraged this spring when middle school students were given the Youth Risk Behavior Survey, developed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The survey included explicit questions about sex, drug use, and gender identity. Some families had filed opt-out forms, but their children were still required to take the survey, and teachers allegedly failed to note that participation was voluntary. Parents filed complaints under the Protection of Pupil Rights Amendment (PPRA), which requires parental consent for surveys involving sensitive topics. In response, Burlington schools suspended future surveys and began a policy review

Supreme Court Sides With Parents on LGBTQ-Themed Books

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Testing Opt-Out Fight in Texas

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Why It Matters

Advocates say these incidents underscore the importance of parental vigilance. An unchecked box, a misunderstood signature, or an unsigned paper can carry significant consequences.

“Parents need to be vigilant,” said Karen England, a parental rights advocate. “If you do not know what you are signing, you could unintentionally give permission for things you never would have agreed to.”

With the school year underway, experts stress that parents should treat permission slips and agreements with the same seriousness as legal documents. In today’s classrooms, awareness is just as important as backpacks and pencils.